My name is Mark Vesente. I'm a director, producer, writer, and troublemaker. I'm most known as the director of the film What the Bleep Do We Know, and as one of the next-team whistleblowers featured in the HBO series, Aval. Let's just say, I know a thing or two about cults. I don't consider myself a cult expert, but I'm definitely an expert in being screwed over, waking up, and

knowing how to spot them.

And let me tell you, they're everywhere.

My mission is to help people see patterns of abuse across multiple contexts.

From personal to family, to group, to societal.

It's all the same pattern at every scale.

As you'll hear, I have a pretty salty approach to most things.

So there might be some blasphemy.

One or two sacred cows might get knocked over, and there'll likely be some foul language.

You never quite know what you're going to get, because it really does depend on what the

fuck is on my mind.

Welcome back, everybody, to WTF is on my mind.

That's the clean version.

Uh, I have today a return guest.

My dear friend Africa Brooke.

And, um, she was on, I think last year at some point.

So I've been on her podcast.

She's been on my podcast.

I'll put the links in the show notes below. She's a somewhat controversial figure to some

of my audience, because some of my audience, I don't think I told you this Africa, we're

a little bit reactive to our last podcast, as you can well imagine.

The people of love and light got upset.

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