And the Hey everyone. It's Andrew Clavin with this week's interview with my son Spencer

Clavin, no relation. But I'm not interviewing him because we're not related. I'm interviewing him because he has written a spectacular new book called Light of the Mind, Light of the World.

There are many people in the conservative movement who think that it would be a good thing for people to find God or for

society to find God because it would make people happier or it would make them

more productive and make them more moral. I don't believe any of that. I think the

only reason people should come back to God is because God exists and when you live in reality you have a better life and things go better for everybody involved.

And that's essentially what light of the mind, light of the world is about. It's about the fact that science,

which once seemed to lead us away from God, is now leading us back to belief.

Spencer, along with not being related to me, also the one of the editors at the spectacular

Clermont review of books and he has a great podcast called The Young Heretics.

Who are you?

I recognize you vaguely yet. I just live here in this set. They box it up they kind of

folded in and I just sit. Yeah this is actually a black grotto like nothingness

that we lit up to look like we're someplace right I've just projected it your mind the idea that is part of that.

Exactly, exactly.

So this is a terrific book and I'm not just saying that because we met once or twice

before.

I paid you to say,

that's why you're saying.

But let's start with this.

You are a Oxford educated PhD, you're an actual doctor.

That's true.

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