that if the world was designed for me explicitly,

it would be you who would be disabled

because you would find it difficult to bend over to reach things,

to climb into things, to figure out how to mitigate your own body within that environment.

You're listening to Doing It Right with me Pandora Sykes, a podcast where I talk to experts about the myths, anxieties, trivialities and trends of modern life. There's no such thing as the right life. But what might we be getting wrong?

In this series, I'll be exploring outrage culture, arrival fallacy, and the perils of instant gratification,

and lobbing some pretty big questions at my guests, like, why do human beings find change so hard?

What would a more inclusive society look like?

And what is the difference between optimism and hope?

This is a podcast that looks at the little things and the big things

and asks, what can we do to live life better?

Not just for ourselves, but for everyone.

Shannad Burke is an activist, broadcaster and author.

In 2018, she gave a TED talk called Why Designs Should Include Everyone

on how the fashion industry and the architecture in modern society

fails to include disabled people.

If you haven't listened to it, I implore you to do so. It's one of the

most thought-provoking and fascinating talks I have ever listened to. The leading disability

advocate in the world of fashion and design, Chenade was selected by Megan Markle as one of 15

forces for change to appear on the September 2019 cover of British Vogue and she was the

first little person to ever attend the Met Gala. She is also the author of an upcoming

children's book, Break the Mold, which comes out in October. I met Chenade very briefly a year ago

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