A note to our listeners, this episode contains discussion of suicide.

Let's get this out of the way right at the top.

It's depression mode.

I'm John Mo.

I'm glad you're here.

It's kind of preposterous the names of some of the people that Shanti Das helped bring to your ears in her long career as a music industry executive.

Outcast, Erica Badu, TLC, Usher, Tony Braxton.

I'm just scratching the surface here.

The list is long.

Shanti Das was on top of this very competitive, very high-stakes industry for many years.

Then, in 2009, she quit for her mental health, which was not in a good place.

But that move didn't solve things. After that, Shanti experienced some rough years, some personal tragedies, some periods of suicidal ideation. Eventually, she found a

combination of things that helped, good therapies, meds that worked, and some assistance

from a pastor who is now a U.S. senator.

Her recovery led Shanti Das to start a non-profit advocacy organization called Silence the Shame.

So now, instead of promoting Usher or Outcast, she's promoting positive mental health and suicide prevention.

Her organization has a new app called Silence the Shame.

Shanty Das, welcome to Depression Mode.

Thank you.

And I got to tell you, John, when I heard the title of the show, I'm sorry I'm not a listener already, but I'm definitely going to subscribe and tune in and go back and listen. But growing up as a young girl, I used to listen to Depeche Mode, and I thought, how brilliant is this?

Yeah, you and me both. I think we're roughly the same generation.

I think we're at those same listening experiences.

...