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Okay, so I'm actually recording

this preliminary discussion, which we can leave in

or take out as we see fit.

But I do want to just announce Glenn Lawver here at the Glenn Show

and I'm with Stephanie Lepp, who is a producer and futurist

and runs the infinite Ludge Box Studio, which produces video about important social issues,

holds up a mirror so we can see ourselves and grow in the process as she says and is all involved in all kinds of

I think hopeful, sort of civic-minded kind of effort to reckon with the partisan conflict of our time that, you know, just is tearing us apart.

So, hi Stephanie, welcome to the threshold.

Good to see you. We go way back Stephanie. We do. We do. And I do.

And I do. We do. And I'm grateful for that. Yeah, I mean I've witnessed your own evolution too, which I've been grateful to both witness and help document.

So, one of your media projects, Reckonings,

did a in-depth kind of discussion, interview, exploration with me of my own, you know,

intellectual emotional and personal journey that was instrumental.

This is going back how many years Stephanie like eight years ago.

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