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episode so I got to say it it's a little weird to be sitting across from you in my barn

you're I was thinking this morning you're you're almost like Matt Drudge used to be

you know everyone read the drudge report starting in the 90s,

but no one wanted to admit it in the news business,

but everybody read it, but Drudge himself

was this mysterious figure.

Actually knew him sort of.

I've never met you.

Everybody I know on both sides has read you for years. You're not crazy,

you're not a big it. But somehow you became a sort of mysterious outlaw figure that no one was allowed

to meet or talk to. Is it weird to be out in public?

Yeah, it actually is. I, you know, for 10 years from 2013 into 2003 you basically couldn't go see Steve Saylor give a speech

anywhere you know I was I was being signed up for conferences my last speech I gave in 2013 was an analysis of the

Obama versus Romney exit polls.

Didn't seem all that controversial to me.

But for the next decade, every time I'd be invited to a conference

and about six weeks later later I'd get an email

well it turned out the SPLC or media matters went to the hotel and said that

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