I'm probably the target of the most well financed corporate retaliation campaign against a lawyer in the history of our country.

It's the first time indigenous peoples from the Amazon have taken an oil company to court and one a big judgment that has freaked out Chevron, it's freaked out the oil industry generally.

I think one reason they're so vicious about going after me is because I had a lot to do with that happening.

You know, we won the judgment in Ecuador, so they came to New York and sued me and they got sued

for $60 billion.

The judge then appointed a private corporate law firm to step into the shoes of the US government and prosecute me in the name of the government.

I found out that this private corporate law firm had Chevron as a client. These companies have

literally trillions of dollars of environmental liability around the world

because they don't clean up the crap they're nothing. They never pay. So the

idea that these indigenous peoples could

get this amount of money would basically threaten their entire business model.

Thank you for sitting down with me. This is definitely a very interesting interview for me.

It's outside the norm of some of the things that I do, but I think still super applicable for

one of my fundamental curiosities and yearning in life, which is to figure out the truth.

And you expose truth and essentially got to justice with truth and were then put on the complete other side of it.

So we're out here in California, but you live in New York.

So what are you up to out here in California

other than doing the doing me this honor of sitting down with me?

Well, that's so kind.

Thank you for having me.

I really appreciate it.

In great respect to you for what you do and what you've done.

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