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The ABCs: Does Human Nature Make Socialism Impossible? with Adaner Usmani

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🗓️ 15 March 2017

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Sure, the concept of socialism sounds nice, but people aren’t very nice, right? Isn’t capitalism much more suited to human nature — a nature dominated by competitiveness and venality? Isn't socialism great in theory but terrible in practice? Adaner Usmani, a PhD candidate in sociology at New York University, answers these questions in a discussion with Jacobin's Jason Farbman.This is the second episode of The ABCs of Socialism, a four-part series taking up some of today's common questions asked about socialism. Each of those questions is also a chapter in The ABCs of Socialism, which was produced by Bhaskar Sunkara and the editors of Jacobin, and published by Verso Books. You can buy the book for just $5 at the Jacobin store: https://www.jacobinmag.com/store/The sessions are recorded at the Verso loft in Brooklyn, New York, in front of a live audience.

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0:00.0

Hi, good evening. Welcome to the second episode slash class of our ABCs of socialism series. We're having one of these each

0:15.7

Monday in March each session as people may know are taking up questions from a

0:20.3

different chapter of the ABCs of socialism which is a book that was produced by

0:24.4

Baskers and Kara and the editors of Jacobin and published by Verso Books.

0:28.9

Verso is also the host of this space.

0:31.3

They're putting on the live stream.

0:32.3

We thank them so much for doing the book with us and for hosting.

0:37.0

So the question posed tonight in the title of tonight's discussion is, does human nature make socialism impossible?

0:44.8

Well, I'm just going to tell you right at the top of the program.

0:48.0

spoiler alert, the answer is no.

0:51.2

Human nature does not represent a barrier to socialism.

0:55.0

I just want to cut to the chase because I know people are anxious to get home and beat the snow.

0:59.0

I'm sorry, I hope I didn't ruin that for you. No, okay. Tonight's discussion will actually be taking up the question why human nature doesn't make socialism impossible. And it's an important question and an

1:14.4

apportion discussion, excuse me, an important discussion to have. There are clearly

1:18.4

deep inequalities in this world that I think we can all observe no one will argue otherwise. I mean I can't

1:26.5

think of a single instance when anyone argues that there aren't huge obscene

1:31.8

inequalities in this world.

1:34.0

What we do here all the time are various explanations

1:36.6

for why that inequality exists.

1:39.4

Socialists say it's because capitalism

1:41.7

is a system of domination, exploitation, and oppression.

1:45.1

But in the mainstream discussions, one way these inequalities are justified, and there's many

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