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🗓️ 16 December 2022
⏱️ 41 minutes
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On this episode of the podcast, we sit down with Ron Deibert, who runs the University of Toronto’s Citizen Lab, to discuss the “mercenary spyware” industry - and its proclivity for providing “almost god-like” spyware programs to governments who’ve been proven to use them to surveil “opposition politicians, human rights activists, journalists, academics, embassy workers, and political dissidents.
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0:00.0 | I can tell you that we've checked and we have a lot of ways to check and I can |
0:08.7 | guarantee to you our technology was not used on Jamal Khashoggi or his relatives |
0:15.0 | or the dissidents like Omar Abdul Aziz and I'm not going to get into |
0:21.1 | specific and tell you that if we will figure out that somebody is misused the |
0:25.8 | system we will shut down the system immediately we have the right to do it and |
0:30.2 | we have the technology to do it it begs the question did you shut down the |
0:35.4 | Saudis I'm not going to talk about customers and I'm not going to go into |
0:40.4 | specific we do what we need to do we help create a safer world that's an excerpt |
0:50.1 | from a 2019 60 minutes interview with Chavel Julio then the CEO of the NSO |
0:56.7 | group an Israeli cyber firm that's gotten quite a bit of unwanted publicity |
1:01.5 | in recent years the NSO group formed in staff by ex-Cyber Wizards of the |
1:06.5 | Israeli Defense Forces markets a powerful cyberware tool called Pegasus that |
1:12.2 | can penetrate the iPhones of anybody in the world and download all their data |
1:17.1 | without leaving a trace you don't even have to click on a malware link for |
1:21.3 | Pegasus to suck up every tiny detail of your existence your emails your text |
1:26.2 | messages your contacts and your calendar showing who you're planning to have |
1:31.1 | dinner with tomorrow evening the NSO group says it markets Pegasus to foreign |
1:35.6 | governments to help them track terrorists and drug traffickers but is Ronald |
1:39.8 | Debert who runs the University of Toronto citizen lab has discovered Pegasus |
1:44.5 | has been used by regimes around the world to target dissidents journalists and |
1:48.8 | human rights activists leading to among other horrors the 2018 assassination |
1:54.1 | of Saudi journalist Jamal Kishoggi as Debert writes in a new article in Far |
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