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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The beliefs AI is built on

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.6 • 10.8K Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

There’s a lot of uncertainty when it comes to artificial intelligence. Technologists love to talk about all the good these tools can do in the world, all the problems they might solve. Yet, many of those same technologists are also warning us about all the ways AI might upend society, how it might even destroy humanity. Julia Longoria, Vox host and editorial director, spent a year trying to understand that dichotomy. The result is a four-part podcast series — called Good Robot — that explores the ideologies of the people funding, building, and driving the conversation about AI. Today Julia speaks with Sean about how the hopes and fears of these individuals are influencing the technology that will change all of our lives. Host: Sean Illing (@SeanIlling) Guest: Vox Host and Editorial Director Julia Longoria Good Robot is available in the Vox Unexplainable feed. Episode 1 Episode 2 Episode 3 Episode 4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:27.0

There's a lot of uncertainty when it comes to artificial intelligence.

0:36.5

Technologists love to talk about all the good these tools can do in the world,

0:41.1

all the problems they might solve. And yet, many of those same technologists are also warning us about all the ways AI might upend society.

0:57.0

It's not really clear which if either of these narratives are true.

1:02.0

But three things do seem to be true.

1:06.0

One, change is coming.

1:08.0

Two, it's coming whether we like it or not. Hell, even as I write this document,

1:14.4

Google Gemini is asking me how it can help me today? It can't. Today's intro is 100% human made.

1:21.9

And finally, it's abundantly clear that AI will affect all of us.

1:28.3

Yet, very few of us have any say in how this technology is being developed and used.

1:36.3

So who does have a say?

1:40.3

And why are they so worried about an AI apocalypse? And how are their beliefs shaping our future?

1:48.0

I'm Sean Elling, and editorial director Julia Longoria.

2:11.1

She spent nearly a year digging into the AI industry, trying to understand some of the people

2:17.2

who are shaping artificial

2:18.6

intelligence and why so many of them believe that AI is a threat to humanity. She turned that

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