From W.B. E. E. E. E. Chicago, this is Nernet. I'm Greta Johnson. We did it. We made it to another weekend. And the end of 2023 no less, which means we figure it is the perfect time to sit back, relax,

and reflect on some of our favorite stuff that came out this year.

We have already talked about the best books and cookbooks. Next

week we are talking about the best TV of the year and today we are unpacking

this very medium the podcast. I am super excited to introduce you to our experts for this one.

We have Leah Simone Bowen, the host of podcast playlists from the CBC, a show that helps you find the best

podcasts out there. Leo, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for having me.

Also here is Nick Quois, who's a podcast critic for Vulture.

Nick, welcome back.

Hello, hello.

So before we dive in to your actual list,

I would love to know from each of you what you're looking for

when it comes to a year-end best-of list.

Leah, what are your kind of criteria that you're working with?

You know, I look at, did I want to keep listening?

Because I listen to so many podcasts and I usually,

especially when they're new to each year I

definitely listen to the first one and then I kind of see did it hook me

enough to keep going and all the ones on my list hooked me enough. And I also, you know,

podcasting is, is, it's so huge now and there's so many to choose from and I think that there is

becoming a sameness in a lot of podcasts that I listen to

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