From W.B. E. Z. Chicago, this is Nurdett. I'm Greta Johnson. We did it. We made it to another weekend. And another year is almost coming to an end, which means now is the perfect time to sit back, relax, and reflect on some of the best stuff that came out this year.

We've already talked about our favorite books and podcasts and today we are getting into TV and I'm very

excited to introduce our guests for this one. With us is Ingu Kang who writes about TV for the New Yorker.

Ingu hello. Hi. Gungu Kang who writes about TV for the New Yorker.

Ingu, hello.

Hi.

Also here is Catherine Van Arandong who writes about TV for New York magazine,

Catherine, hello.

Hello.

Okay, so before we get to our picks, I would love to know a little bit about how you are both sort of thinking of criteria for best shows of the year.

Angu, what do you think?

Oh, I mean, I think the standard, like really boring

critic rule of thumb is you have to

judge a TV show based on what it's going for, right?

But I think with a top 10 end of the year list, I really try to look for the shows that have like both stayed with me, you know, during the very, very many months of every year.

And also the ones that I feel like we're trying to do something new, sort of like push the medium a little bit and I think there's going to be a lot of

talk in the near future about if those kinds of shows are going to go away.

And honestly, if they do, then I don't know,

like I'm really happy to be celebrating

the shows that are pushing the boundaries

a little bit right now.

Do you mean in terms of kind of just the future of,

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