The Bishop Budde vs. Donald Trump Controversy

Conversations That Matter

Jon Harris

Society & Culture

4.6 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep into the recent uproar sparked by Bishop Mariann Budde's sermon at the National Prayer Service. Our guest, the Reverend Jake Dell, a former Episcopal Rector, offers a unique perspective on the incident where Bishop Budde directly pleaded with President Donald Trump to "have mercy" on the LGBTQ+ community and immigrants amidst the backdrop of his newly signed executive orders.

Rev. Dell breaks down the moment that has since captured headlines, where President Trump labeled Bishop Budde's remarks as "shameful." We also discuss the visible frustration of Vice President J.D. Vance, who appeared visibly irritated by the criticism of their border policies.

Jake Dell provides a historical context, tracing the evolution of the Episcopal Church's involvement in political discourse, explaining how this moment fits into a broader narrative of faith intersecting with politics. He also addresses the role of the Washington National Cathedral, an institution that has hosted countless political events, and how it might be seen as compromised in the eyes of some.

Join us as we explore the implications of this sermon, the reactions it has elicited, and what it signifies about the relationship between religion and politics in America today. Whether you're a person of faith, a political observer, or someone interested in the intersection of these powerful forces, this episode promises to enlighten and challenge your thoughts on where the church stands in the current political landscape.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast, live edition.
0:05.6	We are going to talk today about something that many of you have asked me to talk about.
0:11.4	I didn't think that I would cover it because I thought it was so obvious.
0:15.1	And, you know, of course, the Episcopal Church and clerics in the Episcopal Church would behave this way.
0:21.4	But, you know, a lot of you want to be the Episcopal Church.
0:24.3	So, oh, you know, I have myself streaming as I'm talking.
0:27.9	So I got to turn that off.
0:29.0	Sorry about that.
0:30.0	Anyway, we are going to talk about this situation with Bishop Booty and Donald Trump at the National Cathedral last week.
0:39.7	And before I even get into all of that, some of you have asked what has been the
0:45.0	evangelical reaction or what pastors that are, you know, woke church evangelical pastors have
0:49.9	weighed in because they would say the same thing.
0:51.9	To be honest with you, I don't think hardly any if any
0:55.7	have and uh that's saying a lot that's saying that the temperature has changed since 2020
1:02.6	that things that uh perhaps even this is the kind of message you could see many of these woke
1:09.0	evangelicals parroting. They're not.
1:12.0	They're keeping quiet.
1:19.7	I'm sure there are some lesser figures in the evangelical movement or consider themselves in the evangelical movement who have said things.
1:23.3	But no major players that I know of at this point. And so that's an interesting thing to me in and of itself.
1:26.7	But many of you correctly identified that what Bishop Boudet said about Donald Trump
1:33.0	and about his immigration policies does parallel exactly what you'd hear from a David French
1:37.9	or a Russell Moore or, you know, a David Platt or, you know, any of these guys who have been critical over the years of
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