Do you remember what you first thought when you heard that there was a podcast about this case?

And when did you sort of put two and two together that I was the person in the courtroom that had made the podcast?

The first time your podcast was mentioned, I remember you know writing in my notes podcast question mark.

And every time it was mentioned I would go back and I would put like a little tally like okay like this

This thing must be like really important that you know it's it's coming up so many times and so I never listen to podcasts ever

To any podcast like it's not my it's not my thing. I remember singer saying yeah, he's here in the courtroom too

And I just remember looking and there was just something about you. I was like you look like a podcaster like I feel like I

I pinned you out like right

From the get and then also to you kind of turned red a little bit. I was like oh

But you were just so like you composed you poker face mr. Sanger brought it up a lot

I would try to look and I'm like he's writing on top of his pack

But he needs like a little desk. Oh my gosh. I tell him that there's little desk. I got hobby lobby

No, don't go shopping right now. Okay, but yeah, there's a little part of a one's you know

I was comfortable with my decision

But once I listen to the podcast it solidified the decision that there's no doubt in my mind that we made the correct decision

You know, and I also wanted to hear it to see you know how much of the podcast what was

true versus what was

Fantasy for lack of better words and when I listen to the trial everything was verbatim

So I knew that the podcast had to be pretty dang close to the truth too

So it just helps solidify my my thought and my conclusion on the verdict

After the verdicts were read um, I was very shaken in the hallway and I was going to walk out and

Your prosecution team was walking in the opposite direction and we had practiced for so many months

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