Content warning, this episode contains discussion of murder, including the murder of two children.

Working together, a prosecution team of Nicholas McLean, James Luttrell, and Stacey Deiner

successfully secured the conviction of Richard Allen for the murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams.

We are speaking with all three of them this week.

This is the second of two episodes featuring our interview with Mr. Luttrell. They would be released on the same day, so go back and

listen to Part 1 if you've not done so already. In this episode, Mr. Luttrell talks about the trial,

including his crucial cross-examination of defense firearm and toolmark expert Eric Warren,

and what it was like to wait for the verdict.

Now that the gag order is lifted, Mr. Lutrell and others are free to speak about their experiences with the Delphi case.

These episodes are part of our first-person interview series.

We will seek to interview as many of the individuals with firsthand experience in the Delphi case as possible in the coming weeks and months.

If you had a direct role in the case and are open to talking with us, email us at Murder Sheet at gmail.com.

This is part of our ongoing efforts to report on the Delphine murders for many years. We have not gotten the chance to hear directly from some of the principal figures in the case. That all changes now.

My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist. And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney. And this is

The Murder Sheet. We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases.

We're the murder sheet. And this is The Delphine Murders, First Person. James Lutrell

Part 2.

Thank you. The The The

The You know, in this case, as you sort of alluded to, there has been a sizable international, I would say, online following of it for quite some time.

And certainly a lot of mainstream media

scrutiny, things of that nature. What was it like working on a case with all of those considerations

and trying to still bring it back down to TerraFerma? I think treating it as a case, Stacey and I had more experience than Nick, but Nick had the

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