The following podcast contains descriptions of rape, sexual abuse, and murder.

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I know that we were on the other side of windover, but I'm not sure of the mileage out there

in the desert someplace.

We went way back off on this little road off the highway, we were arguing out behind the car.

I told him, I said, Sherman, what are we going to do with that girl?

He said, well, she's got to die. I said that's just ridiculous. Why she got to die? He said, well, he says, you know, kidnapping carries the death penalty too.

And like I said, this is for they did away with that.

No way, I said, Number one we haven't hurt the girl I says she hasn't been hurt and there's no way

thing gives the death penalty for it even if they bust us. So I thought I'd talked him out of it.

And I turned around, started for the car when the gun started to go off and I just froze.

Because that first shot went off, I knew it was too late. The

era of some of the most heinous serial killers of all time.

Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, the Zodiac Killer,

and the Macquarie family.

Though little known today, they were one of the most murderous families in history.

Violent, nasty, and they didn't care about anything other than gratifying their own base desires.

These people would kill a human being like others of us might step on an ad.

Led by a psychopathic patriarch and his depraved son-in-law.

Sherman was a small time screw-up.

Carl was a small-time screw-up.

When these guys got together, there was a chemistry between them.

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