My name is Mark Vesente. I'm a director, producer, writer, and troublemaker. I'm most known as the director of the film What the Bleep Do We Know, and as one of the next-team whistleblowers featured in the HBO series, Aval. Let's just say, I know a thing or two about cults. I don't consider myself a cult expert, but I'm definitely an expert in being screwed over, waking up, and

knowing how to spot them.

And let me tell you, they're everywhere.

My mission is to help people see patterns of abuse across multiple contexts.

From personal to family, to group, to societal.

It's all the same pattern at every scale.

As you'll hear, I have a pretty salty approach to most things.

So there might be some blasphemy.

One or two sacred cows might get knocked over, and there'll likely be some foul language.

You never quite know what you're going to get, because it really does depend on what the fuck is on my mind.

Hello, everybody, and welcome back.

Today, I'm thrilled to welcome Dr. Karen Mitchell,

one of the world's leading experts and dark personalities.

Dr. Mitchell is the founder and CEO of the Kalmore Institute,

an organization dedicated to understanding and addressing the impact of toxic,

predatory, and

coercally controlling behaviors in society.

That's important stuff.

Her groundbreaking research introduced the concept of the persistent predatory personality

model, which sheds light on the tactics and traits of narcissists, psychopaths, and coercive

controllers across various fields from corporate environments to domestic violence

and cults. Right up my alley. With a remarkable ability to uncover the hidden dangers of

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