I always share a belief that I have with the leaders in the class, and I will tell them,

you are the person, your direct reports, go home and talk to their partner, their kids,

they're friends about, and you control what they say about you.

Is it good or is it bad?

And in your hands, with these people, you can be a confidence

builder or a confidence destroyer. That's a pretty powerful position to be in.

Welcome back. Or welcome to the Finding Mastery podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Michael Jervais,

by trade and training a high-performance psychologist. This is the second installment

in a series of conversations we've been having with global leaders and human resources. They are at the

forefront of helping define modern leadership and what it takes to attract and retain and build

the next generation of leaders. From the shift to and from hybrid work to the integration of emerging

technologies like AI, these conversations highlight the leadership capabilities that will help teams thrive

in the modern workplace. Today's guest is Rhonda Morris, the former chief human resources officer

at Chevron. Rhonda's a powerhouse.

She is sharp and competitive and deeply committed to helping others perform at their best.

I think leaders now have to have a deeper understanding of people than they've ever had before.

And everyone who knows Rhonda knows that she leads authentically.

That's how she's broken barriers. I have been on many leadership teams where I was a double only,

the only woman, the only person of color. And it's really hard to explain what that feels like

unless you're in that situation.

So with that, let's jump into this week's conversation with Rhonda Morris.

Okay, Rhonda.

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