From the New York Times, this is the interview.

I'm Lulu Garcia-Navarro.

We live in a moment where things are more available than ever.

You can whip out your phone right now and order lunch, bet on sports, listen to this podcast, watch porn, buy a car, meet a friend, get therapy from an AI bot.

But all that convenience isn't making us any happier.

In fact, in the developed world, we are more lonely, anxious, and depressed than ever.

Dr. Anna Lemke likens it to the plentyenty Paradox. The more we have, the less

satisfied we are. Lemke is a psychiatrist who works at Stanford University, and she's written

extensively, including in her best-selling book, Dopamine Nation, about the science behind addiction.

Turns out our brains are wired, constantly seek stimulation,

which our modern era delivers in overdrive. I'm sure if you look at your life, maybe there's

something you are indulging in a little too frequently than is good for you. For me, the turning

point came at the start of the pandemic, when my sister died of liver failure

brought on by alcoholism, something I shared with Dr. Lemke before our interview.

It made me take a hard look at my life. After a lifetime of obesity, I ended up taking

Ozempic, which curtailed my obsessive relationship with food, then two years ago,

I stopped drinking alcohol. But while I feel physically great, it hasn't stopped some other

destructive behaviors. Hello, online shopping. So how do we find balance in a world designed

to be filled with temptation? And are we all addicts now?

Here's my interview with Dr. Anna Lemke.

Hi, how are you?

I'm good.

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