From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm David Marquesie.

There's a poem by Philip Larkin called This Be the Verse, and it's been buzzing around in the back of my mind the entire time I've been working on today's interview.

The poem starts like this, though literary fans will know I'm swapping in a clean word

for a foul one.

They mess you up, your mom and dad.

They may not mean to, but they do.

They fill you with the faults they had and add some extra just for you.

That rings true for me, and I bet I'm not alone. But what do we do with that

knowledge? For help answering that question, a lot of people have turned to the work of

clinical psychologist Lindsay C. Gibson. Her book, Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents,

has been a slow-burning bestseller, with over a million

copies sold since it was published in 2015. It's also a viral presence on social media,

where it fits in with the larger trend of children reconsidering their relationships with

their parents, or even if they want to have a relationship with them at all. So I had lots to ask

Dr. Gibson, and some skepticism to bring her to.

We talked about what emotional immaturity looks like in a parent, how much parents really

shape the adults we become, whether we owe problematic parents' compassion, and a bunch of

other very easy topics.

Parents.

Hoy!

Here's my conversation with Lindsay C. Gibson.

Hi, Lindsay, how are you? Hi, David. I'm doing great.

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