From the New York Times, this is the interview.

I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

Last year, on the night before the election, Megan Kelly did something she'd never done before.

She got up on stage at Donald Trump's final campaign rally, and she endorsed him.

And I prefer a president who understands how to be strong and how to fight.

I hope all of you do what I did last week. Vote Trump and get 10 friends to vote Trump too.

Kelly built her career in the mainstream media.

She spent nearly 15 years at Fox News,

where she earned a reputation as one of the channel's sharpest interviewers

before she moved briefly to NBC.

But that Trump rally speech was the clearer sign yet

that Kelly has moved on to her next chapter.

Over the past few years, she's found a new lane for herself in podcasting and on YouTube, where she has a daily talk show that fits squarely into the MAGA-loving media universe.

It's just one of the reasons why I was so interested to talk to her about her

professional evolution, her volatile relationship with President Trump, and what she thinks some

people, myself included, don't understand about how the media has changed forever.

Here's my conversation with Megan Kelly.

Megan, one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is because you're really forging this new path.

And I think to fully sort of understand your career, I wanted to start early.

Before you were a journalist, you were a lawyer at Jones Day, which is one of the toughest, notorious firms out there for being just like a big international law firm that only takes the best of the best. When you walked through that door, were you a tough person?

Well, the practice of law definitely toughened me up. Because while I was always comfortable with public speaking, I wasn't necessarily comfortable arguing and standing up for myself and coming under attack and being able to hold my own. And so law school helped with that. And then before I went to Jones Day, I did two years at Bickle and Brewer. Same mentality, which is killer be killed.

And it was known for its, quote, Rambo litigation tactics.

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