From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm David Marcasey.

A lot of people wind their way into middle age, having achieved some measure of career success, only to ask themselves,

well, now what?

And apparently this happens even if you're Serena Williams.

Serena, who's now 42 years old, retired from competitive tennis a little under two years ago.

She'd won 23 grand slams more than any woman in the open era and just one shy of the all-time

record.

Her level of fame and achievement, both on and off the court,

broke boundaries for black women and women athletes in general.

She is, by just about any account,

the best ever at what she did.

Since she retired, Williams has directed that drive at some new projects.

She's got a venture capital fund and just launched a makeup line.

And she and her husband, Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian, have two small girls.

So it's not exactly like she's been idle, but the tennis court still calls.

She's gone back to it in a way with a new eight-part documentary called In the

Arena, Serena Williams, which will stream on E-SBN Plus next month.

And she told me that revisiting her career through the series has been the first

chance she's had to sit back and take in everything she accomplished. Here's my conversation

with Serena Williams. So you've been retired from 10 S4. It's not even two full years. And one thing that I was thinking about

in watching the documentary was really the kind of amazing competitive spirit that you had.

And I'm curious about where that competitive spirit goes or how it changes

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