Pushkin.

I was taking a road trip not long ago, listening to the Joe Rogan experience, as I like to do sometimes.

It was an old episode he'd done with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Before he became U.S. Secretary for Health and Human Services,

the man responsible for running a massive medical science administration.

By the way, I was once on Joe Rogan.

It was a while back.

And from my experience that day, I came up with a theory,

which is that all the good stuff happens in any Rogan

interview as you approach hour three, when the guest has finally adapted to Rogan's particular

seductive rhythms and when all thoughts of the outside world have evaporated. If you listen to

Rogan, in other words, you have to commit.

And so on that car ride, I did.

And at the one hour and 52 minutes mark, right on schedule, came in exchange, which I found so fascinating, so peculiar, so downright weird, that I pulled my car over to the side of the road and said to myself,

Oh, man.

RFK was talking about measles, and he essentially tells Rogan, the kids who die from measles don't die because of measles.

They die because they're malnourished.

And, you know, it's hard for a disease to kill a healthy person.

It's hard for an infectious disease to kill a healthy person with a rugged immune system.

And then, Rogan says, well, not the Spanish flu, though, right?

Which is a good question.

The 1918 Spanish flu was one of the most devastating

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