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Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

The Market Alone Can’t Fix the U.S. Housing Crisis (with Brian Callaci & Sandeep Vaheesan)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

Business, Government, News, Politics

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 10 December 2024

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

This week, Nick and Goldy explore why the market alone can’t solve the U.S. housing crisis with Sandeep Vaheesan and Brian Callaci from the Open Markets Institute. The guests discuss their recent article in the Harvard Business Review, which explains how profit-driven private markets fail to address housing affordability, particularly for lower-income individuals. Their discussion underscores the drawbacks of deregulation and the need for strong antitrust enforcement, second-generation rent controls, enhanced tenant protections, and a public option for housing to ensure stability and affordability. Vaheesan and Callaci also stress the significance of understanding the interconnected issues of supply, demand, and the socioeconomic factors driving the crisis, arguing that without proactive governmental intervention the housing market cannot effectively meet the needs of those seeking affordable housing. Sandeep Vaheesan is the legal director at the Open Markets Institute. He leads the institute’s legal advocacy and research on a range of anti-monopoly topics, including antitrust law’s role in structuring labor markets and promoting fair competition. Before working at the Open Markets Institute, he served as regulations counsel at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, where he helped develop rules on payday and title lending and debt collection practices.  Brian Callaci is the chief economist at the Open Markets Institute. He researches and writes about market structure, antitrust law, and their relationship to worker and employer power. In addition to peer-reviewed academic research, he publishes articles in news outlets such as The Atlantic, Harvard Business Review, and The New Republic. Before working at the Open Markets Institute, he worked at the Strategic Organizing Center and Workers United/SEIU. Social Media:  Sandeep Vaheesan on Twitter: @sandeepvaheesan Brian Callaci on Twitter: @brian_callaci Open Markets Institute on BlueSky: @openmarkets.bsky.social Open Markets Institute on Twitter: @openmarkets Further reading:  The Market Alone Can’t Fix the U.S. Housing Crisis Zoning change: Upzonings, downzonings, and their impacts on residential construction, housing costs, and neighborhood demographics Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics Threads: pitchforkeconomics Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social Twitter: @PitchforkEcon, @NickHanauer, @civicaction YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics LinkedIn: Pitchfork Economics Substack: The Pitch

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0:00.0

The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory.

0:10.3

It's time to build our economy from the bottom up and from the middle out, not the top down.

0:15.8

Middle out economics is the answer. Because Wall Street didn't build this country. Great middle class built this country.

0:22.6

The more the middle class thrives, the better the economy is for everyone, even rich people like me.

0:34.4

This is Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out.

0:42.6

Welcome to the show.

0:47.6

This episode, Nick, is the third in our three-part series on America's housing crisis.

0:58.0

And it gets to a point I've been trying to make for years.

1:04.2

And I think the title of the article that our guest wrote gets straight to it,

1:09.0

it's that the market alone can't fix the U.S. housing crisis.

1:15.4

As a devout capitalist, Nick, what do you think about that? The dissing the market this way.

1:20.1

I definitely agree. I definitely agree. Housing's hard. You know, the thing, such an obvious, stupid

1:26.6

thing to say, but it's different than making widgets, right?

1:30.4

Like, you can scale a lot of things with demand fast.

1:36.1

People can enter markets quicker.

1:38.9

But, you know, I mean, as we see, you know, when 100,000 people move into a place, even if all of the policy

1:47.8

is right, building 100,000 extra units of housing, it's just hard. Right. Right. It's just, it's not

1:55.7

going to be quick. Right. As we've learned here in Seattle, the Seattle actually has been building housing at an

2:02.4

incredible pace. Yes. I mean, I'm not talking about the metro area, just Seattle proper. Yeah.

2:07.7

Has been building 10,000 units a year and can't keep up with demand. Yeah. Like, and every,

2:14.1

and every corner, there's a five-story department building going up, right?

2:18.1

Like everywhere.

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