Absolutely no idea why Jonathan Reynolds was still in the cabinet,

and absolutely no idea why the Chegos Islands has been given away,

and not just given away, but given away

with a very handy chunk of money attached to it as well.

Absolute madness.

Let's talk to Joanna Bell, political journalists will try and get some sense out of her about it.

Joanna, a very good morning to you.

Good morning, Mike.

How are you today?

I'm all right.

I mean, I'm not one of those that's getting all hysterically carried away by the

tariff conversation, because to a large extent, tariffs are baffling to most people. And Donald

Trump's right to say, is he not, that an awful lot of countries have been putting tariffs on American

goods for a very long time, including the UK and including Europe. So he's just having some of that back, isn't he?

Well, somewhat. But I mean, I don't think it's an exact. I know you're very positive about what's going on, Mike, but I don't think it's an exaggeration to say we are facing a 1930s-style

depression. Yeah, no, I'm not particularly positive about what's going on. But what I'm saying

is that the economies of most of the Western world are already down in the deep, deep do-do because of all the debt that we're in, because

all the borrowing that governments have done over the years. Well, that's it, but it's about to

get go from bad to worse, Mike. And, you know, the British Empire, you know, the whole

empire was built on free trade and that's what made it so great and now we're being hit

with these tariffs. I mean, what Trump's trying to do is stimulate business enterprise in

the United States. So he thinks by imposing these tariffs, it'll force companies to set up in America,

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