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Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

The new cabinet secretary: Can Sir Chris Wormald rewire the British state?

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

News, Politics, Government

4.6252 Ratings

🗓️ 3 December 2024

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

After weeks of speculation, and many rounds of interviews, Sir Chris Wormald has been confirmed as the UK’s new cabinet secretary. But who is Chris Wormald, why has Keir Starmer appointed him, and how can he succeed as the country’s top civil servant? David Lidington, the former minister for the Cabinet Office and Theresa May’s one-time de facto deputy prime minister, joins the IfG team to make sense of someone who is both the conventional pick and yet also the surprise choice for the job of the country’s top civil servant. What does Wormald bring to the role? What is waiting in his in-tray? How exactly could he set about that big rewiring job? And what steps he can take to ensure the civil service can deliver Keir Starmer’s priorities?   Presented by Emma Norris. With Cath Haddon and Alex Thomas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to this morning to Institute for Government webinar. I'm Emma Norris.

0:05.7

After weeks of speculation and many rounds of interviews, we now know the identity of the new

0:10.3

Cabinet Secretary. It's Sir Chris Wormald. But who is Chris Wormald? Well, he is, as has been

0:16.3

noted, perhaps both the conventional pick and also the surprise choice for the country's top civil servant,

0:22.6

because Kirstama has chosen Wormald to help him lead a complete rewiring of the British state,

0:27.8

which to some people perhaps doesn't sound like the task for a career civil servant,

0:31.7

who served as permanent secretary at the Department of Education and now the Department of Health.

0:36.9

But to others, it's Wormald's

0:38.7

deep experience of the civil service, which makes him exactly what Stama needs at a time when

0:43.3

his relatively new ministers are still getting to grips with the challenges of government.

0:47.7

So let's take a look at what Wemel brings to the job, what's waiting in his in-tray, how exactly

0:52.8

he could go about that big rewiring job,

0:55.3

and what steps he can take to ensure that the civil service is able to deliver Kirstonan's priorities.

1:01.4

Joining me to discuss all of these questions and more, and please do send in your questions any time from now,

1:06.7

are a duo of top IFG civil service watches, Alex Thomas and Kath Haddon.

1:11.6

And we're also joined today by Sir David Littington, former Minister of the Cabinet Office

1:15.6

and somebody who has lots of first-hand experience of how government works or sometimes doesn't work.

1:21.6

So, David, I'm going to come to you first. Tell us your reaction to the appointment.

1:35.3

Thanks. Chris Wormwood is not somebody I claim to know particularly well, but I think he's a very experienced civil servant. He will have a decent start

1:43.3

in that the fact he has been a permanent secretary, the head of a government department for a number of years, means that he will be seen by his peer group as somebody with experience with weight.

1:55.2

I think one of the problems that Simon Case had throughout his tenure has been that he was not a permanent secretary before he became cabinet secretary and therefore the barons around the table amongst the departmental permanent secretaries I think were less inclined than they might have been to accept his authority as a given. I think that would be different with Chris Wormald.

2:18.5

But I think he faces massive challenges. Not least of the fact is that although it's only six months since the general election,

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