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Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

The Plans they are A-Changing

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

News, Politics, Government

4.6252 Ratings

🗓️ 6 December 2024

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Is that sound the heavy thud of a gauntlet been thrown down? The podcast team are joined by Peter Hyman, a former adviser to Keir Starmer – when he was a key player in designing Labour’s missions – and Tony Blair, to make sense of the government’s new Plan for Change.   What do the six new ‘milestones’ say about this government’s five missions? Do targets actually work? Why has Keir Starmer set this plan out now? And why is he sounding so frustrated with the civil service?   Plus: Sir Chris Wormald is the new cabinet secretary. So who is he, and what can he do to deliver the prime minister’s command to completely rewire the British state?    Catherine Haddon presents.   With Jill Rutter and Nick Davies   Produced by Candice McKenzie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government.

0:14.0

I'm Catherine Hadden.

0:15.6

The heavy thud of a gauntlet has been thrown down.

0:19.2

So said, Kirstama, as he set out the targets that he now wants

0:22.8

his government to meet and on which he says the public can judge him at the next election.

0:28.0

The Prime Minister has given us six milestones, added on to this government's five missions

0:33.1

for what he says is the most ambitious yet honest program for a government's inner generation.

0:39.4

This is, just so we are all clear, to be known as the plan for change.

0:43.7

So what has changed and how will the plan work?

0:46.8

Well, one answer is targets, because unlike previous aspirations,

0:51.3

the government has now put some numbers on what it considers success. But is this a good

0:55.6

approach? We'll crunch the new metrics. And then we'll look at someone who will be central to making

1:01.0

this plan a reality, and that's the new Cabinet Secretary, Sir Chris Wormald. So who is he?

1:06.7

And what can he do to deliver the Prime Minister's command to completely rewire the British state?

1:12.4

All that to come. I'm joined today by two IFG colleagues who have diligently read through the

1:18.0

countless plans, manifestos and mission documents, and that is Jill Rutter and Nick Davies.

1:23.6

And I'm delighted that we're joined today by Peter Hyman, a senior advisor to Keir Starma from

1:28.8

22 to 2024 and one of the leading figures in designing Starma's missions. He was also a strategist

1:36.0

in the last Labour government under Tony Blair. Hello, Peter. Hello, really good to be here.

1:41.8

Well, let's start with the plan for change. Critics have been describing it as a reset, despite the government saying it definitely wasn't one.

1:49.7

More generously, you might say that Kirstama and his team have now had time to work out what they want to do with power and what they can do and have set out that plan.

1:58.9

Peter, to start with you, why is the government doing this now?

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