Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast. I'm your host, John Harris, for what I believe

will be a very interesting conversation I'm going to have today with someone who has

not been on the podcast before. And we're going to talk a little bit about history. We're going to

talk about Civil War Reconstruction era history specifically. Now, this is an area of history that

I have studied because I've had to for grad school and for undergrad in my history degrees,

but it's not an area that I consider myself necessarily an expert on.

I know a lot more about the causes of the war and what happened during the war than I do about what happened afterward,

even though I've had to read a bunch on it.

But I want to let you know about a few sources that I found helpful before we even get started with this discussion.

If you don't have any time and there's one book that's kind of accessible to read, I would

recommend this book by Phil Lee. I've had him on the podcast to talk about reconstruction before,

actually. So we've talked about this book, but it's called Southern Reconstruction by Phil

Lee. And then I was looking on my shelf to see what other references I have. And he's really,

I haven't actually read this whole book, but this is a reference, the story of reconstruction by

Robert South Henry. I think he was part of the Dunning School, which means that today he would

probably be considered some kind of like a lost cause mythologist or something like that, which is what the modern historical guild

applies to anything that they don't like, whether it's a primary source or not, they just call

it lost cause or something to dismiss it. But it's actually, it's a good book. It has a lot of good

facts in it. And I think it's very interesting it's a good book. It has a lot of good facts in it.

And I think it's very interesting. And then, of course, these are two books that I got recently,

actually from the interview that we're going to have today, the George Bagby, he sent me this,

the history of reconstruction. And I didn't know about this book by John Rose

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