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🗓️ 23 February 2025
⏱️ 44 minutes
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0:00.0 | An American story that we all know, and that I've lived for a lot of my life, is the story of rising incarceration. |
0:13.0 | The United States prides itself on being a nation of freedom and liberty. |
0:19.0 | And yet, we have the biggest prison system in the history of the world. |
0:25.1 | And for many decades, that system was just growing and growing, including when it came to |
0:31.3 | young people. |
0:33.0 | But what if there was a disruption in that narrative? |
0:36.8 | What if the story changed? |
0:40.1 | My name is James Foreman Jr. |
0:42.3 | I'm a law professor at Yale University |
0:44.7 | and a contributor to the New York Times Magazine. |
0:49.9 | I became a public defender in the middle of this hyper punitive era. |
0:56.0 | For six years, I represented young people in the juvenile and adult court systems. |
1:01.4 | This was Washington, D.C. in the 1990s, when people were talking about locking up more of everybody. |
1:09.6 | More young people were being charged as adults and even being sent to death |
1:13.7 | row. The mantra of the day was, if you're old enough to do the crime, you're old enough to do the |
1:20.7 | time. As a defense lawyer, I was in the courtroom every day arguing for alternatives to prison for my clients. |
1:30.4 | I would point to job training programs and mentoring programs, after-school tutoring, and mental |
1:36.8 | health treatment. And the judge sitting across from me would often say things like, well, counselor, |
1:46.4 | you know, I understand that your client has had a challenging life, but part of what I have to do is send your client a message. So I'm |
1:53.7 | going to give them a month or two months behind bars. I could see that these judges were telling |
2:00.8 | themselves a story, which was that a relatively short |
2:04.7 | amount of time behind bars would be a wake-up call. In their mind, they were helping these kids. |
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