Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery, BTR.org. I'm Anne. I'm sure you remember what it was like when you were searching for help, maybe for your husband, hoping to find the right program or therapist. That's why I started podcasting. I supported my husband through seven years of pornography addiction recovery and not one therapist during that time told me I was experiencing emotional

and psychological abuse and sexual coercion. I didn't want any other woman on the planet to be in

the dark. If you're like the majority of my listeners, you're experiencing the type of abuse that's

invisible and difficult to wrap your head around. Your husband is using porn or having

affairs or lying to you, and you're getting the same bad advice about how to improve communication

or your relationship. If you need support from women who totally understand, check out our daily

group session schedule at BTR.org slash group. We'd love to see you in a session today. One simple, anonymous way to help spread the word

is to click, follow, or subscribe to the Betrayal Trauma Recovery podcast on your favorite

podcasting app. While you're there, every five-star rating helps make this podcast more visible

and will help save other women from getting the wrong kind of help, like a couple

program that will make this type of abuse worse. For those of you who follow or subscribe to this

podcast, thank you so much. Your support means so much to me. I have Kathy, or Justice Jones,

on today's episode. She is a justice advocate who promotes outside-the-box solutions and best-practice responses

to families living under the chronic oppression of abusers and counterparents.

I invited her here because the truth about betrayal trauma symptoms is that betrayal trauma

symptoms are caused by domestic abuse. So we need to have a discussion

about domestic abuse and how professionals are missing it, especially betrayal trauma professionals.

They're not identifying the betrayal trauma symptoms as responses to emotional and psychological

abuse and sexual coercion.

So we're going to talk about that today. Welcome, Kathy. Thank you for having me.

Listeners to my podcast who have experienced this understand on a deeply personal level

how the entire system does not understand emotional and psychological abuse,

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