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FiveThirtyEight Politics

The View From Europe

FiveThirtyEight Politics

ABC News

Politics, News

4.620.6K Ratings

🗓️ 6 February 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

In the post-war world order, the United States and Europe have been among the closest of allies. What happens if President Donald Trump upends that equation? Jeanna Smialek, Brussels bureau chief for The New York Times, joins the show to break down the view from Europe. They take a look at how European leaders are reacting to the early days of Trump’s second term, the strategies EU nations are using in response to Trump's abrasive rhetoric, and how a tariff fight might play out across the European economy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I was on a flight from Brussels to Washington yesterday, actually. And of course, because I'm a good

0:35.6

journalist, I eavesdrop on flights. And it was very

0:39.4

interesting, like, how much I heard people talking about the USAID thing everywhere I went on this

0:45.4

flight. Like, it was just like, it was the talk of the entire airplane. Even the flight attendants,

0:49.6

they were like, you know, pouring wine. Can you, have you heard? Can you imagine?

1:04.3

Yeah. like, you know, pouring wine. I'm like, have you heard? Can you imagine? Hello and welcome to the 538 politics podcast.

1:05.8

I'm Gailen Drunk.

1:08.5

In the first three weeks of Trump's second term,

1:12.4

some see the clearest crackup of the post-war world order to date. For proponents, that order was marked by a Pax Americana, during which America vastly

1:19.3

expanded its influence and promoted values that led to peace and prosperity for many. For critics,

1:25.7

America became a sucker, sitting idly by while domestic manufacturing

1:30.1

atrophied, and allies became dependent on American taxpayers for security and development.

1:36.5

Whichever way you look at it, the post-war era saw the growth of democracy and free trade,

1:42.2

an end to territorial expansionism, and a close partnership

1:45.8

between the United States and the West. So today, we're going to take a look at the start of

1:50.3

Trump's second term through the eyes of some of America's closest allies. Europe. In recent weeks,

1:56.8

Trump has floated annexing Greenland, threatened to launch a trade war with the European Union,

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