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🗓️ 12 September 2024
⏱️ 49 minutes
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The former nanny who alleges Neil Gaiman sexually assaulted her shares her WhatsApp messages with him. The messages appear friendly and affectionate. He says they’re evidence that she consented to sex with him. But is there another way of reading them?
Reporter: Paul Caruana Galizia and Rachel Johnson
Producer: Katie Gunning
Additional reporting: Jess Swinburne
Original music and sound design: Tom Kinsella
Series editor: Matt Russell
Editor: Jasper Corbett
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0:00.0 | Tortoise. |
0:07.0 | Before we begin, I just need to warn you. This is a hard listen at times. The series |
0:17.1 | contains graphic descriptions of sex and allegations of sexual abuse. And this episode also deals with suicide. |
0:27.0 | Aya, just sending you a message to remind you, it will all be okay. |
0:37.0 | That may be hard to believe right now for you where you are, but honestly, it will all be okay. |
0:44.0 | I miss you so much as I said in my text. |
0:50.0 | I hope that you're doing all right let me know I worry. These are video clips from |
0:56.2 | what's-ups we have the notes that were saved or recorded on Scarlet's phone |
1:00.4 | photographs and pages and pages of messages. |
1:05.0 | I thank you for all your help. |
1:07.0 | I'm so grateful. |
1:09.0 | It means a lot because... |
1:11.0 | The messages span the whole story we told you in episode one, the first alleged assault and the following three weeks of what Scarlet says is rough sex. |
1:22.0 | The relationship ends, but the messages continue back and forth over the course of almost |
1:28.1 | a year. The messages are friendly, often affectionate or supportive, but Scarlet has shared the unedited transcripts with us, |
1:38.4 | so we can see exactly what they said to each other and when. And it feels like a very different story, not so black |
1:48.8 | and white like we're viewing the events through the other end of the telescope. It really throws me because |
1:56.4 | when I read the WhatsApp's I think that Scarlet comes over as bizotted. Messages like these appear to be evidence of consent in black and white. |
2:08.0 | And they also appear to show that he could assume consent was there. The two things are separate and both |
2:17.1 | matter when it comes to the law. As the criminal defense lawyer Catherine Jackson explains, |
2:24.0 | If you have a complainant who says I wasn't consenting but I'm sure he believed that I was, |
2:31.0 | that is a big red flag. |
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