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Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Podcast & Blast with Hal Herring

They Gave It All Away: The 1872 Mining Law with John Leshy

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Podcast & Blast with Hal Herring

Zack Williams

Outdoors, Wilderness, Sports, Fishing, Outdoor, Hunting, Sports & Recreation

4.6853 Ratings

🗓️ 24 December 2024

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

“It is astonishing that this law has escaped fundamental change.” John Leshy, author of The Mining Law: A Study in Perpetual Motion

The 1872 Mining Law represents one of the most extraordinary give-a-ways of American assets in the history of our nation. It has been the target of reform and repeal almost from the very moment it was passed. No other nation on earth allows the mining industry to simply extract the public’s wealth without paying. The cost of administering it- the legal process of giving away America’s public lands and minerals- is astronomical. It has been used by grifters and scammers to privatize millions of acres of public land. It has resulted in an estimated 500,000 abandoned mines on public lands, $35 billion in cleanup costs, and over 10,000 miles of waterways forever impacted or ruined. Billions of dollars’ worth of gold, silver, and other minerals are taken out each year – nobody even knows the extent, because there’s no regulation to make them report the totals. Even the mining industry, until recently, was embarrassed by it.

As the US sees a new boom in mining on public lands- lithium, cobalt, the rare-earth minerals in such furious demand by the alternative energy and EV industry, the 1872 Mining Law should be the first item on the agenda of reform. But nobody is even talking about it.

Why not?

Please join us for a conversation with law professor and former General Counsel of the Department of Interior John Leshy, who literally wrote the book on the Mining Law, and has over fifty years’ experience in public land law and policy. Leshy is also the author of Our Common Ground: a History of America’s Public Lands, and will be returning to the BHA podcast to discuss that book in a few weeks.

Transcript

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0:00.0

So the mining law and the strategic minerals issue are really, it's all about politics.

0:07.0

It's not about geology, really.

0:10.0

In nowhere in your extensive treatise on the mining law, do you ever say that we don't need these?

0:17.0

It's just the way that they're produced and the giveaway that's the problem.

0:23.7

If you're a timber harvester, if you're a rancher grazing, federal grass, you're going to pay something.

0:31.9

The mining law, hardrop minerals, the only place where you basically pay nothing.

0:37.1

It is about politics, and it is about, in part, this law being so obscure.

0:42.7

So I urge people who get kind of outrage to say, well, what do you do?

0:47.5

Well, you've got to educate your fellow citizens.

0:49.5

You've got to educate your members of Congress who often don't know much about this

0:53.3

and just tell them this

0:55.1

is the problem. You really have to solve it. That's the way politics works and that's the only

1:00.8

way you can get a change. Hey everybody, Hal Herring. Thanks for being here. I came here today to

1:08.2

talk about something, a very serious challenge that's coming in.

1:11.9

If you haven't listened to episode 189 of the podcast yet, I hope you will.

1:17.3

But if you don't, I'll give you a nutshell of it.

1:20.1

The politicians in Utah are once again trying to conduct a huge land grab on the American public lands.

1:27.7

You may decide that you've heard this tune played too many times,

1:31.4

but I'm here to tell you that this is the slickest snake oil campaign

1:35.9

that I have seen from the land grabbers,

1:39.9

and I've been following this a long time.

1:42.8

So, yes, it can make you angry.

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