Grammar Girl here. I'm in Yonfokrty and you can think of me as your friendly guide to

the English language. We talk about writing, history, rules, and other cool stuff. And

today I'm here with Kirsten Cable, the host of the Fluent Show, which is about learning

languages, and I think you're going to love it. We talked about how she got started,

of course, and then what to do if you're stalled learning a language with the good things

and bad things are about language learning apps to help you learn how to use them better.

The massively underestimated thing that will help you learn a language and how learning

a language can make you more creative. I think of her show as sort of an inspirational

podcast for language learners, but let's let her tell you how she thinks of her show.

Hi Kirsten, thanks for being here with me today.

Hi, Minyo. Thank you so much for having me. I'm just super excited today.

You're a bit... So did I get that right? Do you think of it as sort of an inspirational

show for language learners? How do you think of your show?

You know what? I've never ever thought of a learning inspirational show. And now that you

said it, I'm like, oh yes, that's really good. It's a show. Well, it's not a show that

teaches you a language. It's a show about the joy of learning languages and even wider,

the joy of, I say, enriching your life through the challenge of learning something new.

Learning a language is really hard and I think I try to make that a good thing.

Yeah, it does take a lot of time actually. Or does it have to? Maybe it doesn't have to.

Maybe I'm wrong. Oh, well, it depends on what you want to do with your language. I don't think it

has to take a lot of time to achieve your goal, but I think you need to know what your goal is

and kind of think about, do you just want to, like, if you just want to go on a trip and get

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