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Cato Daily Podcast

To Shrink Government, DOGE Needs Congress

Cato Daily Podcast

Caleb Brown

Politics, News Commentary, 424708, Libertarian, Markets, Cato, News, Immigration, Peace, Policy, Government, Defense

4.6949 Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

The Department of Government Efficency, such as it is, can't really do much to cut government without Congressional approval. Gene Healy discusses what a more serious approach to spending and regulatory reform will have to entail.


 



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0:00.0

This is the Cater Daily podcast for Monday, February 17, 2025.

0:09.4

I'm Caleb Brown.

0:10.3

If Doge, the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, wants its highlighting of questionable federal spending to achieve some enduring result,

0:18.3

and as important as anything, abide by the separation of powers built

0:22.0

into the Constitution.

0:23.7

The agency needs Congress.

0:25.7

Gene Healy explains why.

0:29.6

Within the president's purview are a lot of things.

0:34.4

And Donald Trump, in his first few weeks in office, has done a lot of things that seem clearly outside the purview of, at least exclusively, the president of the United States.

0:47.1

Well, there are a lot of things that are within the president's purview now that were never intended to be.

0:53.8

So some of this isn't new.

0:57.1

In other ways, he is aggressively pushing the envelope on executive power.

1:03.4

But I think it's important to take a broader look at it.

1:08.2

You know, in this town, the political press and the political class,

1:15.4

they tend to, you know, evaluate is energy or energy in the executive? Is that a good or bad thing?

1:22.6

And the way they evaluated, it tends to be, well, it depends on who's getting zapped, you know,

1:30.1

whether it's a red team or the blue team. I think as libertarians, we should take a more principled

1:37.2

and dispassionate view. So there are executive orders in the current onslaught that concern me.

1:46.4

There are executive orders that I think were to the good and perfectly lawful.

1:54.5

And there were, you know, there's a mix of good, bad, and the ugly.

2:00.0

You mentioned energy in the executive.

2:02.5

That's Federalist 70, I believe.

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