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Trapped Abroad: The Man at the Center of a Constitutional Standoff

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

When President Trump met with El Salvador’s president, Nayib Bukele, at the White House, the fate of one man was hanging in the balance. Adam Liptak, who covers the Supreme Court, discusses the Maryland man who was mistakenly sent to a notoriously brutal prison in El Salvador, and what his case means for the limits of presidential power and the rule of law.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily.

0:10.8

At the White House on Monday, President Trump met with El Salvador's president, Naib Buckele,

0:16.4

with the fate of one man hanging in the balance.

0:20.0

Today, my colleague Adam Liptack on the Maryland man who was mistakenly sent to a notoriously brutal prison in El Salvador,

0:27.6

and what is case, which tests the limit of presidential power, means for the rule of law.

0:36.4

It's Tuesday, April 15th.

0:43.8

So, Adam, we have talked a lot on this show about the Trump administration's efforts to crack down on immigration and deport people really quickly.

0:53.0

We've talked about the Venezuelan migrants,

0:55.3

students at Columbia and other schools. But today we want to zero in on one case in particular,

1:01.0

this man from Maryland. Can you start by telling us who is he and how did he end up where he is?

1:07.7

So his name is Kilmar, Obrego Garcia.

1:11.7

He was born in El Salvador in 1995.

1:15.9

He moved to the United States when he was 16 years old after a gang in El Salvador threatened him in trying to extort money from his family's business.

1:29.0

He arrives here in 2011, enters without authorization, finds work, goes about his business,

1:37.1

and is arrested in 2019 on immigration offenses.

1:41.5

He has then and now never had a criminal record in El Salvador or the United States.

1:50.2

And goes before an immigration judge. And the judge, and this is important, issues a ruling that says he faces dire consequences if he were to be sent back to El Salvador.

2:06.1

And the judge issues a ruling that says you may not deport him to El Salvador.

2:13.6

And he goes on living in the United States as a work permit, checks in with the immigration authorities every year, gets married, is raising three kids, and a few weeks ago, he is detained again.

2:30.9

And this time he gets no process.

2:33.7

He is sent to Louisiana at a detention facility

2:38.6

and then is put on an airplane to El Salvador,

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