When it comes to "trust" in public health, there was a "before the pandemic" and an "after the pandemic." Rebuilding that trust will require us to deal with all the ways the pandemic moment shaped Americans' perceptions of what public health is, how it works, and who speaks for it. In this LIVE taping from the American Public Health Association's Annual Meeting, Abdul talks to author Prof. Eric Klinenberg, whose recent book "2020: One City, Seven People, and the Year that Changed Everything" contends that without dealing with the trauma of the pandemic, it may be impossible to move forward. Pick up your copy of “2020: One City, Seven People, and the Year that Changed Everything” here. This show would not be possible without the generous support of our sponsors. America Dissected invites you to check them out. This episode was brought to you by: Marguerite Casey Foundation: Get your free Boston Review issue delivered to you at CaseyGrants.org/State. Blueland: Reinvent cleaning essentials to be better for you and the planet, with the same powerful clean you’re used to. Right now, get 15% off your first order by going to Blueland.com/america. To See Each Other: A podcast that complicates the narrative about small town Americans in our most misunderstood communities. You can listen to more episodes of To See Each Other at https://link.chtbl.com/toseeeachother?sid=americadissected.