Steve, happy Thursday. I hear birds tripping in the background slightly. It must be beautiful day there in Boise.

It is, man. Yeah, I got the window open here in the bedroom and it's beautiful. It's going to be 65 degrees.

Nice and sunny. Hopefully sneak out for a bike ride. I've been kind of transitioned into a lot more

riding the last few weeks. Just kind of mixing it up. It's fun to get it back out on the mountain

bike a lot. Yeah. You said the other day, just to me in passing, like you were happy with how things

were progressing physically with your training. Because you've said before, you feel like you've never

been in better shape than when you were biking. Do you feel like biking more now directly makes

that correlation higher, feeling? Oh, yeah. That was a percent. The only, like, for me, if I still

need to get out and hike and kind of like stretch my legs for lack of a better return, right?

Like, because biking is such a repetitive, like it's not very dynamic, right? You're on the seat,

just pedaling. So your lungs are, that's why you can just hammer your lungs because you're so

stinking efficient with the rest of your body, that your lungs are really what's going to slow you

down on your biking. So if your lungs are a great shape, biking, it's almost like almost impossible

for me to get truly winded when I'm hiking. You know what I mean? 30 pounds up a mountain,

like my legs going to get tired on you to rest before my lungs would ever give out. But,

yeah, it's, man, it's just such a great, great, great, great workout.

Speaking of hiking and training, we had a question on that topic.

Guy Ruden said, you guys often talk about timing your hikes, tracking speed,

pack weights, etc. And I was wondering what devices or apps you guys use for that?

Um, yes, Drava is an app I've used for, started using it when I was, you know, riding a lot

mountain bike. And then you can easily record all sorts of different, you know, hiking,

I think there's just like walking, hiking, running, swimming, I mean, just basically anything you

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