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Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

UK diplomat reveals NATO STARTED the WAR in Ukraine

Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

Useful Idiots, LLC

News Commentary, Politics, News

4.64.5K Ratings

🗓️ 21 June 2024

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Click here for the full interview with Ian Proud: https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/uk-diplomat-reveals-nato-started?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at www.usefulidiotspodcast.com Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: White House would NEVER pause shipments to Israel, reports White House https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/white-house-would-never-pause-shipments?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. From July 2014 to February 2019, veteran diplomat Ian Proud was posted to the British Embassy in Moscow where he advised UK Ministers on sanctions against Russia. His embrace of diplomacy over war made him a Misfit in Moscow. Proud joins Useful Idiots to explain how British diplomacy failed in Russia, and how a strategy other than aggression and saber-rattling could have averted Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. He gives a complex history of the conflict, beginning with the 2014 West-backed coup in Ukraine, and culminating in Boris Johnson’s infamous in person threat to Zelensky that he must reject a peace deal. We ask Ian if it was Biden who instructed Johnson to do so. And today, with a (“so-called”) peace summit convened by the Ukrainian government and Putin making his most concrete peace offer to date, Ian’s long history as a British diplomat in Moscow gives us a chance to pull back the curtain on the talks that could potentially end the proxy war. Subscribe to hear the full interview with Ian Proud where he explains: •How the US’s Victoria Nuland undermined peace talks at every step since 2014 •Boris Johnson’s admission that the proxy war is about “defending western hegemony” (and his embarrassing meeting with the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion) •The UK’s role in the dirty war in Syria •The UK’s role in aiding Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza •How much the British government and its allies invest in propaganda (or, as they call it, strategic communications) to deceive the public into going along with their proxy wars •And the 2024 US presidential election: Would there would be any foreign policy difference between Biden and Trump? 00:00 Intro 01:11 The Four Food Groups of News 15:17 Ian Proud interview 16:05 Peace talks in Ukraine 18:26 What the media gets wrong about Putin 23:06 The bridge that could have prevented a war 27:26 Did Biden instruct Johnson to threaten Zelensky? 33:10 Censoring his new book 38:02 Was the west involved in the 2014 coup? 40:50 Victoria Nuland undermines it all Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Usefully the

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Usefully It's I'm Katie helper. I'm Mary Matte. Hey everybody

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Thanks so much for being here with this. Our website as always is useful idiots

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podcast dot com go there support the show get bonus content including the

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Thursday throw down your weekly dose of media madness and

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the extended interview of our weekly guest.

0:24.1

Which is going to be really great.

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Also, Aaron, I like it, looks like you kind of are sitting in front of a Ukrainian flag.

0:29.8

You got the yellow and blue thing going on. Well, you know, funnily enough, this week we're speaking to Ian Proud, who is a veteran British

0:38.4

diplomat.

0:39.4

We're speaking to him mostly about the proxy war in Ukraine.

0:42.2

So I thought in honor of this week's interview I should pick a

0:46.7

hotel room that matches the flag of the country we're talking about. So I would I

0:50.8

searched far and wide and found a hotel room where, yes, I'm sitting in front of a wall and drapes

0:58.4

curtain that matches Ukrainian flag.

1:00.2

So that's how far we go, everyone everyone to bring you high level production quality

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it's you're welcome everyone and the chair don't don't sell yourself short also a blue chair

1:08.6

also a blue chair yeah that's right that's right that's right so what do we got for our four basic food groups?

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What do we got for Democrats suck?

1:15.3

For Democrats suck, we're going to turn to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

1:19.9

Remember her?

1:20.5

She was forced to resign as the chair of the DNC after the emails from the

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