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🗓️ 9 February 2025
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0:31.0 | We got it wrong on immigration. I'm not here to tell you that actually it was all fine. |
0:35.6 | So would you leave the ECHR? If we have to, yes. |
0:38.3 | But what I'm not going to do is say, we'll leave the ECHR, and then we'll work it out later. |
0:42.3 | That's what we did with Brexit and look what happened. |
0:45.3 | But what I'm not going to be arguing is, should we have 75,000 or 76,000? |
0:49.3 | But the question isn't that. |
0:50.3 | It's a fake, it's a fake debate. It's not a fake debate. It's not a fake debate because the question is should we have 1.2 million people? No. 1.2 million is way too high. Let's work our way down. Should it be 800,000? Should it be 700? Where is that line? |
1:06.2 | And what we saw at the last election and granted, yes, we deserve to lose, was people giving us a kicking, |
1:14.4 | but not liking the thing they got instead. I think people voted for reform because they |
1:19.9 | looked at the Conservative Party and they went to quote something you said in the speech, |
1:26.1 | talk right but govern left. I'm trying, but the problem is you're |
1:30.0 | not answering my question, right? I have answered the question. No, you haven't. Kermenok, leader of the |
1:36.0 | Conservative Party. Welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you, Constantine. It's great to have you on the show. |
1:40.3 | And you're responsive. Yeah. Been meaning to have you on the show for a while. It's great to have you on. |
1:45.4 | Before we get into all the political chat, you know, one of the things that always troubles |
1:49.3 | us with politics is someone just pops up and suddenly they're a person and you don't |
1:53.4 | know anything about them. You don't know their background, etc. So who are you? |
1:57.3 | Who am I? |
1:58.9 | So I am someone who believes that conservatism needs fighting for in the world that we live in. |
2:07.6 | And when I talk about conservatism, I mean traditional conservative values, the importance of family, |
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