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Grammar Girl Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing

Weird punctuation with 'Jr.' Carl's Jr. Hockey.

Grammar Girl Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing

Mignon Fogarty, Inc.

Society & Culture, Education

4.52.9K Ratings

🗓️ 17 January 2023

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

911. In honor of Martin Luther King Jr. Day, we cover a bunch of interesting things about labels such as "Jr.," "Sr.," and "III." Plus, we look at the origin of the names Carl's Jr. and Ruth's Chris Steak house.

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0:00.0

I'm a girl here. I'm Minion Fogarty and you can think of me as your friendly guide to

0:10.0

the English language. We talk about writing, history, rules, and other cool stuff. Today,

0:16.2

in honor of Martin Luther King Jr. Day, we're going to talk all about the word junior,

0:21.2

how to write it and when to use it. Plus, we'll talk about how the Berger joint Carl's

0:25.6

junior got its name and then about Ruth's Chris Steakhouse because one thing leads to another.

0:32.0

In the United States, we celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the third Monday in January.

0:41.9

At least that's the common name for the occasion. According to the US government printing

0:47.3

office style manual, the official name of the holiday is Birthday of Martin Luther King Jr.

0:54.1

But with either name, writers have to contend with that tricky junior on or near the end. Should

1:01.0

you put a comma before it or not? You see it both ways. One reason is that the official name of

1:07.8

the holiday includes a comma, but many of the major style guides emit the comma from the holiday

1:13.6

name and say to emit commas before junior in names in general. For example, the Associated Press

1:20.2

says not to use a comma before designations such as junior and senior and specifically does

1:26.8

not include a comma in the name Martin Luther King Jr. Day. The Chicago Manual of Style says the

1:32.9

comma is not required before junior and also writes the holiday name without it. It's still a

1:39.2

style choice though. Garner's Modern English usage says both forms are correct and has an

1:44.4

interesting note saying that all the additions of the elements of style through 1972 called

1:50.9

for a comma before junior. But then the 1979 edition changed and said not to use a comma

1:58.4

because E.B. White became convinced that junior is restrictive rather than parenthetical. One

2:05.4

benefit of omitting the comma before junior, which usually means you use a comma after junior

2:10.2

two in a sentence is that it makes the possessive easier. Back in 2017, the New Yorker which does

2:17.8

use commas around junior had a ridiculously awkward headline about Donald Trump Jr.'s love

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