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So, Victor, I was wondering just broadly if you had some reflections on what will be new in this administration of Trump that will be maybe different from the last administration.

You mean compared to Biden?

No, I mean compared to Trump's earlier administration.

Well, we know what if he won't take money from the Chinese like the Biden Consortium.

There's a lot of differences.

When he came in in 2017, he said he'd only been to Washington, D.C. 17 times in his life.

He said he had no interest in politics prior to that.

He didn't think, I don't think he thought, and this is speculation, but there is some accounts

that support this exegesis.

I don't think he thought he was going to win.

The polls had him down eight points, seven points.

So when he won, he only had 90 days to have a team.

And the people around him didn't necessarily think they were going to win. It was a movement.

It was like Tea Party. It was sort of, we're going to get close, but he won. So then all of

these people in this Uniparty Deep State collapsed on him. And they said, look, we are the experts.

And so you've got Rex Tillerson and Jim Mattis and quote unquote

anonymous. And they all offered their services, but they weren't on the same page. And a lot of

them made the decision that Donald Trump is too uncouth for me. I'm going to suffer reputational

harm because the deep state doesn't like him.

And I was always accepted by the deep state.

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