Hello and thank you so much for listening to the Katie Helper show and welcome to the Katie Helper show please rain review us on iTunes. So excited that I was able to chat with Samuel Moyne.

Samuel Moyne is the Henry Arloose professor

of jurisprudence and professor of history

at no big deal, Yale.

You can make sure to follow him on Twitter at Samuel Moyen.

His last name is spelled M-O-Y-N.

Make sure also you check out his books on Amazon.

He's working on a new book book and he's already written some really

great books including the last Utopia human rights in history. He's also a

fellow of the new Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

They're a great thing tank. We've had on a bunch of people affiliate with them,

including Treida Parsi and Daniel Bessner, a non-resident fellow.

Not sure, gotta ask Samuel if he's a resident fellow or non.

Not that that matters, obviously. Samuel's also written for places like

the Atlantic Boston Review, the Chronicle of Higher Education, Common Wheel

Descent, The Guardian, the London Review of Books, the nation, the New Republic, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and Washington Post.

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discussion that I have with Sam, which is really interesting, on something he calls

Trump washing and why he thinks that Trump is not a fascist

and why he thinks it's a dangerous discussion and dangerous discourse to suggest that

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