Pain is always real, always real. And if you can figure out the cause of your pain, you'll be in a much better position to treat it.

Welcome to like mind, like body. I'm your host, Laura Sago, and today I am speaking with Dr. Yoni Ashar, a neuroscientist,

clinical psychologist, and NIH-funded postdoctoral associate at Whale Cornell Medicine,

who just published one of the biggest studies of the year in the field of mind-body medicine.

We'll talk about that study in the interview, of course, but we will also touch on some of his

other areas of focus, like whether you can tell how much pain someone is experiencing

by scanning their brain, or how effective placebo treatments can be for chronic pain.

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Without further ado, let's get to the interview.

Yep. let's get to the interview. Yoni, thank you so much for joining us on the show today,

longtime friend of Curable first time on the show.

Thanks for having me, Laura.

Yeah, I've been a fan of Curable since the beginning,

so it's great to be on the show.

Yes.

So the big topic of the moment that I know you are being asked about in all your interviews right now is obviously the big study you just published that shows very promising results for treating chronic back pain with pain reprocessing therapy and with open label placebo.

I want to get into that study in detail in just a minute, but first, I want to start by backing up a few years and learning more about what brought you to this moment in time.

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