Welcome to the Green Alliance podcast. We're the charity and think tank that's all about

achieving ambitious leadership for the environment. I'm Sophie, policy advisor at Green Alliance.

In this episode, I speak with Emma Vogelman from the organisation Transport for All. We discuss

how and why policy makers need to be more inclusive of the public,

marginalised communities and communities that have not typically been sought out for engagement

in policies and implementation processes. Welcome Emma. Thanks so much for joining me.

No, thank you for having me. I'm looking forward to

chatting. Can you give me a bit of an overview of your work at Transport for All and a summary of the

organization? Yeah, absolutely. So transport for all is a disabled person's organization. So what that

means is that the majority of our staff team and our board of trustees are disabled or have some sort of lived experience, disability.

We are celebrating our 40th year this year.

So we have been primarily a campaigning organization campaigning for the rights of disabled people on all modes of transports.

We cover everything from public transport all the way through to private car use, aviation, whatever that might be, as well as walking, wheeling around your local neighborhood, for example.

So my work at Transport for All, I'm the policy, public affairs, and research manager.

So what that means is that I make sure that the experiences of disabled people are heard and

completely reflected in the policy recommendations that I would put to,

whether that's local government, national government, individual companies, whoever that might be

to make sure that disabled people are reflected in those policy recommendations so that any changes that are made that are going to affect disabled people are considering disabled people.

So talking about the importance of bringing people into the policymaking process, I guess you're doing that in the policy recommendations that you put forward.

But what would you say are the most

important reasons for other think tanks and NGOs to involve people in policymaking?

I think when you're developing policy that's going to affect people, you need to consult

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