Hi, all. I just wanted to make a quick disclaimer regarding this particular episode.

I do not necessarily share the views and ideologies of my guests. I am interested in hearing

different perspectives, and a guest's appearance on the WTF is On My Mind podcast does not mean I believe

or support their particular point of view on all matters.

Even in the face of evidence that we doubt know, a great deal of detail, that when politicians say, oh, well, most people go into politics because they are interested in helping people

and they're interested in helping their constituents, pollocks, you've got to be, and you are

narcissistic to go into politics.

My name is Mark Vesente.

I'm a director, producer, writer, and troublemaker.

I'm most known as the director of the film What the Bleep Do We Know?

And as one of the next-in whistleblowers featured in the HBO series, Aval.

Let's just say, I know a thing or two about cults.

I don't consider myself a cult expert, but I'm definitely an expert in being screwed over, waking up, and knowing how to spot them.

And let me tell you, they're everywhere.

My mission is to help people see patterns of abuse across multiple contexts.

From personal to family, to group, to societal, it's all the same pattern at every scale.

As you'll hear, I have a pretty salty approach to most things.

So there might be some blasphemy.

One or two sacred cows might get knocked over, and there'll likely be some foul language.

You never quite know what you're going to get because it really does depend on what

the fuck is on my mind. Hello everyone. I'm coming to you from Liverpool this time. I just finished this

weekend being part of a seminar that Richard Grannon put on called narcissistic psychopathy. Did I get that

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