Hello, Hidden Gems. I am with a very special guest today. I am so excited to have Annie

Elise, my friend here with me today. And by with me today, I guess I mean split screen,

split screen with me today. And not in the same room, but split screen with me today. And she is

the host. I'm sure you know this of the serialistly, serialously podcast, as well as the

YouTube channel, Tend to Life. And I've been listening to you, Annie, for years. You do an

excellent job. You are like the storyteller when it comes to true crime. And thank you for

being here, because I know that you and I have both had

a interest for a very long time. Ashley Banfield called it. She said more of like we've both been

perplexed. I like that word. Perplexed for a very long time when it comes to Lori Valo Daba.

And I definitely want to talk about her with you. Definitely.

Before we get there, though, I do have some personal questions for you because I think that

many of us, you are always telling us stories. But I want to hear a little bit about your story. Like, have you always had a

fascination, a morbid curiosity in crime or a fascination with why people do what they do?

Or what is it about true crime that sort of gets you. Yeah.

I mean, first and foremost, thank you so much for having me.

I'm so excited to, like, talk with you again.

I don't think we, now that I think about it, I don't think we've actually talked

officially together since we were in, gosh, where was that?

Salt Lake, that in October.

Yeah, and we were talking about Lori.

No, so I'm really excited. But I first started getting

into true crime when I was quite honestly, probably way too young to even be watching it. But I was

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