you will never unclog a sink by putting less water into it. You have to actually operate on the

system itself. And the way you operate on the system itself is by changing the inputs. So it's not

about changing the quantity. It's about changing the quality. So you cannot heal your body by

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Hi everyone, you're on air with Ella, and today I'm joined by the one and only Jonathan Baylor.

Now, you first heard Jonathan's name on episode five with Carrie Brown.

Yeah, the one where we sing his praises and the praises of his book, The Calorie Myth,

and we sing the praises of his podcast, et cetera, et cetera.

Well, one of the reasons that I'm such a huge fan of Jonathan's is that personally,

encountering Jonathan's research and his writings and his podcast, now known as The Sane Show, that was one of the first major steps in my own wellness

journey. So it was actually Jonathan's podcast was the first podcast that I ever downloaded

in my life. And you see where that led me. But along with Carrie's recipes,

Jonathan's work truly helped me move from a diet mindset to much more of a conscious eating

lifestyle, something that was sustainable and sort of ended my obsession. So he really broke down

the science in very, how shall I say, digestible chunks for me and changed my life

and made me want to help other people too. But back to Jonathan Baylor is the founder of

sainsolution.com. He authored the New York Times bestseller, The Calorie Myth. He hosts the very

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