0619 | The Future Is a Hopeful Past

True Crime Bullsh**

Studio BOTH/AND

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.6 • 5K Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2024

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Summary

The season six finale is over a decade in the making; Josh sits down with FBI Special Agent Ted Halla to discuss the Keyes investigation, share new information and ideas, rule out potential victims, and develop our clearest look yet at the details surrounding 5 of Keyes's victims.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Featuring: FBI SA Ted Halla.
Sound editing by: Darron Wood of the Defense Diaries podcast.

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0:00.0	This is a studio both and production. Agent Ted Holla, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me.
0:21.0	We've talked offline and exchanged emails, and I just want to say how appreciative I am for your candor and your time.
0:28.9	This is an exhaustive and exhausting case, and I feel like we could talk about it for hours,
0:35.3	so I just appreciate the few hours you've been able to give me.
0:39.2	Yeah, no problem. I'm happy to talk and, you know, share what I can with your listeners.
0:43.9	And I appreciate the work of everyone out there that's, you know, trying to, you know, identify who these unknown victims are and solve some of these cases because it's been 12 years and it's a very,
0:56.0	very difficult task.
0:59.6	This is true crime bullshit. I'm your host, Josh Hallmark, and this is a serialized story
1:06.9	of Israel Keys.
1:25.6	Thank you. story of Israel Keys. When I first started working on turning my Key's research into a podcast back in 2016,
1:32.3	I reached out to a handful of people for interviews.
1:36.3	Tammy, James Koenig, Bobby Chacon, Deborah Feldman's son, the Macaw tribe, Dr. Ramsland, Jolene Godin, and the General Anchorage FBI Office.
1:50.0	The responses varied wildly, from variations of Leave Me Alone to let me think on it, to absolute or partial involvement.
2:00.0	The only lack of response came from the Macaw and the active FBI.
2:05.6	And I figured the FBI wasn't interested in me, or keys, or working with the media, or
2:13.9	all of the above.
2:17.1	And so I moved on and made due for six years.
2:23.1	In 2022, while searching Lake Crescent with Gene Ralston, I got my first call from the FBI.
2:31.3	It was Special Agent Ted Holla, out of the Washington State Office.
2:36.0	He heard we were searching the lake and wanted to give me helpful information on what to look for in the lake
2:42.0	and where the FBI believed Keyes most likely submerged his victim there.
2:46.0	We chatted on the phone twice for approximately 45 minutes in total, mostly about Lake Crescent,
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