I did care about what I would amount to.

So I had like a, as someone to say it's almost like self pity,

but it was like a real sadness that I'd now let everybody down.

Well, I just assumed I destroyed my life at that moment.

Imagine one punch, one moment that lasted just a few seconds, changing your life forever, and taking the life of another.

Jacob Dunn was a teenager from an estate called the Meadows in Nottingham in the middle of England

without many prospects and growing up being laden with expectations that he'd never amount to

anything he got involved in gang warfare that was common between rival estates.

Then one night he did a stupid but awful thing. He punched a man, unprovoked. The man fell and a week later, died from his injuries.

That man was James Hodkinson.

I don't say too much about James in the interview because regardless of what they've done in

their life I rarely invite people onto the podcast to grill them and publicly

shame them. Jacob has turned his life around and even become friendly with his victim's parents

through something called restorative justice in which he now works. That said

James never had a chance to continue his life. This is a burden Jacob will carry with him

for the rest of his life and James's parents will never truly know peace. James was a 28-year-old

trainee paramedic whose life was cut short tragically.

Jacob served 14 months of a 30-month sentence for manslaughter

before being able to get on with his life.

I do find Jacob very friendly and likable and also thoughtful and sad.

I am a believer that we are products of both our genes and our environments and that in which Jacob grew up was

punishing and barren. He wrote a book called Right From Wrong documenting his early life

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